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Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 01:46:00 -
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So having browsed the tech 3 cruiser subs in more detail I have realised to my shock that having the skill set for command ships is a complete waste. As tech 3 cruisers can now have the command ship role bonus along with better everything it renders the ability to pilot, battlecruisers, heavy assault cruisers and command ships completely worthless.
Q: but command ships are a lot cheaper than tech 3 cruisers so there!
A: well if we could re-alocate all those now wasted sp into industry skills then we'd have loads of iskies for tech 3 ships :oD
Q: but what about the skill loss if you lose a tech 3 ship
A: dont care.... its a x2 skill... can work a x2 skil from nothing to 5 in no time anyway
so can we plix have all our sp back that we put into heavy assault ships, battleships, command ships, battlecruisers umm marauders so we can we can re-alocate them towards something thats still relevant.
If I'm completely wrong here and I've missed some vital point then could someone enlighten me because atm its looking like for many eve vets years of sp grinding have now been rendered worthless and 'if' that is the case I would deem it only fair that everyones sp should be resetlike what happened with the learning skills and let us all start over.
If CCP reset all our sp then what would everyone get instead of the now worthless ship skills theyve spent years building?
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Posted - 2011.01.25 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Xistance on 25/01/2011 01:52:35
and still... nobody has pointed out any actual flaws in what I wrote, instead they just troll the topic with idiotic rubbish... *sigh*
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Posted - 2011.01.25 02:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/01/2011 01:56:03
Comments:
- Command ships are very close to as good as T3s at PVE. Some are better, some are worse.
- PVE Command ships are less likely to be suicide ganked than PVE T3s.
- Command Ships can actually take part in the PVP while running links.
- Command ships will be primaried AFTER T3s.
- Command ships ARE cheaper.
- Command ships don't cost SP (you cry that you want industry skills and then say you don't care about SP loss?)
- T3s are almost certain to be nerfed.
Oh, oh, and I trained command ships. :)
-Liang
Ed: Added a couple more.
- I wouldnt say commandships had anywere near the combat potential of tech 3 at all, look at the skill bonuses for all teh subsystems and you will see my point perfectly.
- Strategic cruisers can run links and pvp to the best of my knowledge
- Command ships are cheaper yes but their role is now pointless making them expensive gimp battleships
- I dont care about sp loss but its quite annoying to have already build up a load of sp over years only to realise that it is now worthless
- to the best of my knowledge there has been no mention of nerfing tech 3 ships. What I was saying was that 'if' I had indy skills intead of now worthless HAC/battlecruiser ect skills I could be in an orca mining low sec uber ore and raking in billions. we could all have hangers full of command ships... "oh I think I'll use the minmatar one today... or maybe the amarr one.. hmmm "
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The Greif Wave
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Posted - 2011.01.25 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 25/01/2011 02:09:14
When you look at raw performance, not all T3 ships beat their command ship counterparts. If you'll notice, Sleipnir > Loki.
with the subs all fived?
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Posted - 2011.01.25 02:14:00 -
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Liang Nuren what do you mean "that do the same thing".........
tech 3 ships can pretty much DO everything... theres no do the same thing about it, whatever anyone feilds against it just involves a quick dock, refit of subsystems and BANG ah ha! I now have your setup completely countered.
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Posted - 2011.01.25 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
Edited by: Wacktopia on 25/01/2011 11:24:42
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Tres Farmer
anyone found the (hidden) agenda the OP is posting under yet?
what is it?
- nerf T3?
- boost CS/HAC?
- SP transaction?
- reset EVE SP wise?
- make T3 cheaper?
- ..
Pretty sure it's those two combined. And it's pretty hard to say he doesn't have a point - T3s are better for gang bonuses than command ships. :)
-Liang
This about sums it up.
Nerf the gang bonus for T3 and leave that job for CS. Apart from that I think T3 are about right.
Some (*cough* Gallente *cough*) CS need looking at. On a whole I have not seen them often in small gangs so it might be nice if there was a change that allowed them to have a more purposeful role outside of large fleets.
When it comes to HACs, yeah some need re-thinking. Some are pretty much perfect - the Vaga is probably the most obvious. Then there are those like the Ishtar, which is amazing for PvE but I've struggled a to get it into such a clear PvP role... maybe -1 high +1 low? Then there are the virtually useless... Diemost, Eagle. Very limited usage for those ships really.
Agreed
To be honest its just the fact that t3 can use the command ships role bonus which has really grinded my gears. The whole point of a command ship class ship is a beefy ship that packs warfare links to dramatically boost a fleet. Personally I think dps in a command ship should be a bit of a none issue, next to its primary role, which is to boost a fleet and be a good tank. Removing the ability for a t3 to use a command ships role would go a good way to restoring a good balance and making command ships actually be a useful skill to have.
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